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		<title>By: Andrew Hickey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Hickey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting -- I have multiple versions of most of the actual albums, but the only real compilation I have is the Picture Book box. Thanks for the info.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting &#8212; I have multiple versions of most of the actual albums, but the only real compilation I have is the Picture Book box. Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s worth noting that the later compilation allbum - The Kinks Greatest: Celluloid Heroes - (1976) has a live version of &quot;Here Comes Yet Another Day&quot; that begins with the same &quot;All right, let&#039;s hear it for the Kinks!&quot; intro that precedes Everybody&#039;s in Show Biz&#039;s live version of &quot;Top of the Pops.&quot; I dont&#039; have the record right at hand, but I recall that there are also alternate versions of a few other tunes off Muswell Hillbillies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that the later compilation allbum &#8211; The Kinks Greatest: Celluloid Heroes &#8211; (1976) has a live version of &#8220;Here Comes Yet Another Day&#8221; that begins with the same &#8220;All right, let&#8217;s hear it for the Kinks!&#8221; intro that precedes Everybody&#8217;s in Show Biz&#8217;s live version of &#8220;Top of the Pops.&#8221; I dont&#8217; have the record right at hand, but I recall that there are also alternate versions of a few other tunes off Muswell Hillbillies.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hickey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Hickey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people have suggested that, but he started doing small appearances at the back end of last year. Micky Dolenz has even said that before Davy&#039;s death they were planning a tour of all four Monkees, so it may just be that Nesmith finally felt like gigging.

I&#039;d suggest concentrating on the First National Band albums -- Nesmith has been talking about getting that band back together for a tour, so that material&#039;s obviously on his mind.

As for the Monkees in 87, yes Pool It! was awful (though That Was Then... isn&#039;t all that bad) but their tours around then weren&#039;t at all bad (though the hip-hop version of Ditty Diego with Micky rapping in a Grover from Sesame St voice is best forgotten) -- they used to do a great little acoustic set in the middle of the show, just the three of them singing with Peter&#039;s guitar, and some of it&#039;s just superb on the extant recordings. When Love Comes Knocking, for example, a song I&#039;ve never liked much, gets turned into a ragtime-folk song. Certainly far classier than the shows the Beach Boys were doing after *their* late-80s comeback...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people have suggested that, but he started doing small appearances at the back end of last year. Micky Dolenz has even said that before Davy&#8217;s death they were planning a tour of all four Monkees, so it may just be that Nesmith finally felt like gigging.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest concentrating on the First National Band albums &#8212; Nesmith has been talking about getting that band back together for a tour, so that material&#8217;s obviously on his mind.</p>
<p>As for the Monkees in 87, yes Pool It! was awful (though That Was Then&#8230; isn&#8217;t all that bad) but their tours around then weren&#8217;t at all bad (though the hip-hop version of Ditty Diego with Micky rapping in a Grover from Sesame St voice is best forgotten) &#8212; they used to do a great little acoustic set in the middle of the show, just the three of them singing with Peter&#8217;s guitar, and some of it&#8217;s just superb on the extant recordings. When Love Comes Knocking, for example, a song I&#8217;ve never liked much, gets turned into a ragtime-folk song. Certainly far classier than the shows the Beach Boys were doing after *their* late-80s comeback&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hickey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Hickey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice analysis -- not totally convincing, and it still doesn&#039;t make me like the song, but it is an interesting reading.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analysis &#8212; not totally convincing, and it still doesn&#8217;t make me like the song, but it is an interesting reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Bray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Bray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, looks like I&#039;ll spend the next few months researching Nesmith then in order to get as much out of this show as possible.

&#039;87 Monkees. Ugh. I remember buying &#039;Pool It!&#039; as a kid having not entirely hated &quot;That Was Then, This is Now&quot; (and you can&#039;t mock me for that - if memory serves, your first record was Shakin&#039; Stevens!). I thus associate all Monkees stuff around that era with &#039;She&#039;s Moving In With Rico&#039;.

Is there any suggestion that it&#039;s Davy&#039;s death that&#039;s driven Mike to this? &quot;Oh God, if I don&#039;t do it now, I&#039;ll never do it!&quot; sort of thing? Seems to be a commonplace sort of idea these days, with it being the reason Pulp and, I think, others got back together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, looks like I&#8217;ll spend the next few months researching Nesmith then in order to get as much out of this show as possible.</p>
<p>&#8217;87 Monkees. Ugh. I remember buying &#8216;Pool It!&#8217; as a kid having not entirely hated &#8220;That Was Then, This is Now&#8221; (and you can&#8217;t mock me for that &#8211; if memory serves, your first record was Shakin&#8217; Stevens!). I thus associate all Monkees stuff around that era with &#8216;She&#8217;s Moving In With Rico&#8217;.</p>
<p>Is there any suggestion that it&#8217;s Davy&#8217;s death that&#8217;s driven Mike to this? &#8220;Oh God, if I don&#8217;t do it now, I&#8217;ll never do it!&#8221; sort of thing? Seems to be a commonplace sort of idea these days, with it being the reason Pulp and, I think, others got back together.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan A W Smith</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lyrically, &#039;Celluloid Heroes&#039; is a work of genius: it goes from from pathos to bathos and back. Where to begin?Why, on Hollywood Boulevard, that less-than-glittering, topsy-turvy place where you look, not up to the heavens, but down to the pavement to see the stars. The motion picture stars, that is, those other-worldly, ethereal beings from a &quot;fantasy world&quot; whose names here are mundanely &quot;written in concrete&quot;. There is throughout this song the constant interplay of the figurative and the literal, of the truly touching and the tritely tacky. If you look up from down here, you&#039;re as likely to be looking up a lady&#039;s dress as scanning the skies for celestial truths. Are we to believe that Bette Davis&#039; life was really that lonely, or is that just a wistful projection of the protagonist/singer&#039;s own isolation? There&#039;s a genuine depth of emotion suggested here. But then we&#039;re crashing back to earth with the stock sentimentality and low comedy: covering the imperious George Sanders with garbage, avoiding Bela Lugosi&#039;s vampire bite. Of course one can stomp on Mickey Rooney:  because he&#039;s so little--no, wait, we&#039;re talking about a flat slab of sidewalk, not the diminutive actor; and everyone can be &quot;tread on&quot; here,  even cinematic giants like &quot;dearest Marilyn&quot;, who we&#039;re told was not made of &quot;iron or steel&quot; , but &quot;flesh and blood&quot;. But then we&#039;re confusing her celebrity with her star which is set in concrete, just like the others. This song could be titled  &quot;Unreal Reality&quot;, Part two. Appearance and reality: true identity vs. the mask of celebrity; real emotion vs. sordid sentimentality;  villains and heroes vs. everybody on every street in every city; painfree immortality vs. &quot;I wish I my life was....&quot;  I wonder.... Ray Davies, were you nervously walking hand-in-hand on the Boulevard of dreams with super-groupie Pamela Des Barres when you conceived this masterpiece? And if so, did you have any inkling that it would be a cautionary premonition of your immediate future? Marital strife, decreasing sales and critical approbation, attempted suicide.... Anyway, when analysing this song, be always on your guard: there&#039;s more to it than meets the ear. So, it&#039;s a masterpiece, say I.
(But I agree that &quot;Sitting in my hotel&quot; is pretty compelling too!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyrically, &#8216;Celluloid Heroes&#8217; is a work of genius: it goes from from pathos to bathos and back. Where to begin?Why, on Hollywood Boulevard, that less-than-glittering, topsy-turvy place where you look, not up to the heavens, but down to the pavement to see the stars. The motion picture stars, that is, those other-worldly, ethereal beings from a &#8220;fantasy world&#8221; whose names here are mundanely &#8220;written in concrete&#8221;. There is throughout this song the constant interplay of the figurative and the literal, of the truly touching and the tritely tacky. If you look up from down here, you&#8217;re as likely to be looking up a lady&#8217;s dress as scanning the skies for celestial truths. Are we to believe that Bette Davis&#8217; life was really that lonely, or is that just a wistful projection of the protagonist/singer&#8217;s own isolation? There&#8217;s a genuine depth of emotion suggested here. But then we&#8217;re crashing back to earth with the stock sentimentality and low comedy: covering the imperious George Sanders with garbage, avoiding Bela Lugosi&#8217;s vampire bite. Of course one can stomp on Mickey Rooney:  because he&#8217;s so little&#8211;no, wait, we&#8217;re talking about a flat slab of sidewalk, not the diminutive actor; and everyone can be &#8220;tread on&#8221; here,  even cinematic giants like &#8220;dearest Marilyn&#8221;, who we&#8217;re told was not made of &#8220;iron or steel&#8221; , but &#8220;flesh and blood&#8221;. But then we&#8217;re confusing her celebrity with her star which is set in concrete, just like the others. This song could be titled  &#8220;Unreal Reality&#8221;, Part two. Appearance and reality: true identity vs. the mask of celebrity; real emotion vs. sordid sentimentality;  villains and heroes vs. everybody on every street in every city; painfree immortality vs. &#8220;I wish I my life was&#8230;.&#8221;  I wonder&#8230;. Ray Davies, were you nervously walking hand-in-hand on the Boulevard of dreams with super-groupie Pamela Des Barres when you conceived this masterpiece? And if so, did you have any inkling that it would be a cautionary premonition of your immediate future? Marital strife, decreasing sales and critical approbation, attempted suicide&#8230;. Anyway, when analysing this song, be always on your guard: there&#8217;s more to it than meets the ear. So, it&#8217;s a masterpiece, say I.<br />
(But I agree that &#8220;Sitting in my hotel&#8221; is pretty compelling too!)</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew, regarding your comments on Celluloid Heroes I think it is a pretty good song but you are *absolutely* spot-on about the length issue, it really *is* at least twice as long as it should be for the musical content and therefore seems to drag on for an age.
Your mention of Elton John&#039;s awful Candle in the Wind (which became *truly* execrable in it&#039;s zombified Diana version) and, earlier, the dubious &quot;outrageous poof&quot; line from Hotel got me thinking about Reg &#039;n&#039; Bernie Torpid&#039;s All the Girls Love Alice (from Goodbye Yellow Brick Road), that&#039;s quite a good pop rocker but the *lyrics* are another thing entirely. While Glam Rock/Pop, the Kinks with Lola, and even Rod Stewart with The Killing of Georgie Parts I and II (although it um ends with the titular event sadly) had featured sexual, romantic, and gender ambiguity with characters who were *different* from the &quot;norm&quot; and for that difference to be celebrated or just *there* Alice opts for lesbianism to be treated as &quot;wrong&quot;, and for the title character to turn to it (and not just promiscuity but, apparently, prostitution) because her parents didn&#039;t love her enough then to top it off she ends up *dead in a subway* for some reason. So instead of a lascivious pop song about a girl enjoying herself and her sexuality (which is what we&#039;d likely have gotten if she was &quot;straight&quot; or a man) we get a grim song about a &quot;confused&quot; girl who dies which is a horrible depressing let-down considering the memorable tune and performance. However, what really irritates is that there seem to be very few people today who&#039;d even think of writing upbeat mainstream rock/pop songs about non-straight protagonists *today* (then again is the mainstream interested in subject matter outside &quot;celebrity&quot; and the conventional now?). How boring and distressing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, regarding your comments on Celluloid Heroes I think it is a pretty good song but you are *absolutely* spot-on about the length issue, it really *is* at least twice as long as it should be for the musical content and therefore seems to drag on for an age.<br />
Your mention of Elton John&#8217;s awful Candle in the Wind (which became *truly* execrable in it&#8217;s zombified Diana version) and, earlier, the dubious &#8220;outrageous poof&#8221; line from Hotel got me thinking about Reg &#8216;n&#8217; Bernie Torpid&#8217;s All the Girls Love Alice (from Goodbye Yellow Brick Road), that&#8217;s quite a good pop rocker but the *lyrics* are another thing entirely. While Glam Rock/Pop, the Kinks with Lola, and even Rod Stewart with The Killing of Georgie Parts I and II (although it um ends with the titular event sadly) had featured sexual, romantic, and gender ambiguity with characters who were *different* from the &#8220;norm&#8221; and for that difference to be celebrated or just *there* Alice opts for lesbianism to be treated as &#8220;wrong&#8221;, and for the title character to turn to it (and not just promiscuity but, apparently, prostitution) because her parents didn&#8217;t love her enough then to top it off she ends up *dead in a subway* for some reason. So instead of a lascivious pop song about a girl enjoying herself and her sexuality (which is what we&#8217;d likely have gotten if she was &#8220;straight&#8221; or a man) we get a grim song about a &#8220;confused&#8221; girl who dies which is a horrible depressing let-down considering the memorable tune and performance. However, what really irritates is that there seem to be very few people today who&#8217;d even think of writing upbeat mainstream rock/pop songs about non-straight protagonists *today* (then again is the mainstream interested in subject matter outside &#8220;celebrity&#8221; and the conventional now?). How boring and distressing.</p>
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		<title>By: TAD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TAD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d have to disagree with you about Celluloid Heroes too.  A little overlong perhaps, but I don&#039;t get bored with it, and it works even better in context (as an album closer).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to disagree with you about Celluloid Heroes too.  A little overlong perhaps, but I don&#8217;t get bored with it, and it works even better in context (as an album closer).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hickey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Hickey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I&#039;m counting Percy. That will be slightly clearer when I collect these as a book, because the chapter on it will be there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m counting Percy. That will be slightly clearer when I collect these as a book, because the chapter on it will be there.</p>
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		<title>By: thisunrealreality</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A welcome return of Dave Davies as a songwriter, after two albums on which he didn’t have a single song&quot;

Well, Dave has two songs on Lola, which are &#039;Strangers&#039; and &#039;Rats&#039;. I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re counting Percy, a soundtrack album, if yes, sorry for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A welcome return of Dave Davies as a songwriter, after two albums on which he didn’t have a single song&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, Dave has two songs on Lola, which are &#8216;Strangers&#8217; and &#8216;Rats&#8217;. I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re counting Percy, a soundtrack album, if yes, sorry for that.</p>
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