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	<title>Comments on: The Pop-Drama Manifesto &#8211; A Call To Arms</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew&#8217;s Superman &#171; A Trout In The Milk</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/11/12/the-pop-drama-manifesto-a-call-to-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-5083</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew&#8217;s Superman &#171; A Trout In The Milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] he has done another Pop-Drama post, here, that&#8217;s all about a possible reinvention of this seemingly un-reinventable [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lue Lyron</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/11/12/the-pop-drama-manifesto-a-call-to-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-4468</link>
		<dc:creator>Lue Lyron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that if an idea is not worked out through the story&#039;s execution, it&#039;s an essay.  Dialog is a great place to explore implications of an idea, so long as the characterizations are strong; that especially applies in settings longer than one-off short stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that if an idea is not worked out through the story&#8217;s execution, it&#8217;s an essay.  Dialog is a great place to explore implications of an idea, so long as the characterizations are strong; that especially applies in settings longer than one-off short stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Lue Lyron</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/11/12/the-pop-drama-manifesto-a-call-to-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-4467</link>
		<dc:creator>Lue Lyron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Straight from my lucid dreams, I took a shot at a pastiche or fanfic that is  more exploratory and a hell of a lot better than wish-fulfillment or continuity wall paper.  I hope it&#039;s both in-character and yet disturbing and wonderful, so I humbly submit &quot;the vanishing wave&quot; in ten parts on my http://integr8dfix.blogspot.com site.  Will you please comment if it entertains you, or pulls you near that edge you seek?  I live to both enthrall and learn.

With my own Integr8d Soul Productions I&#039;m working out the fundamentals of something new, really trying to figure out how the &quot;write-by-numbers&quot; factors crop up and confound those expectations in the name of wonder and more challenging characterization.  The nostalgia out there is for the verge of discovery, not just the warmth of old pictures.

 My ceaseill.blogspot contains some kernels of this, but as soon as I shed a present personal drama I am going to patiently work out how to incorporate my more daring ideas (some thoughtful soap opera) like better family representations, polyamory, and philosophically questing concepts (ideas category).  There will be blood on the floor.

Looking forward to walking these meme streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straight from my lucid dreams, I took a shot at a pastiche or fanfic that is  more exploratory and a hell of a lot better than wish-fulfillment or continuity wall paper.  I hope it&#8217;s both in-character and yet disturbing and wonderful, so I humbly submit &#8220;the vanishing wave&#8221; in ten parts on my <a href="http://integr8dfix.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://integr8dfix.blogspot.com</a> site.  Will you please comment if it entertains you, or pulls you near that edge you seek?  I live to both enthrall and learn.</p>
<p>With my own Integr8d Soul Productions I&#8217;m working out the fundamentals of something new, really trying to figure out how the &#8220;write-by-numbers&#8221; factors crop up and confound those expectations in the name of wonder and more challenging characterization.  The nostalgia out there is for the verge of discovery, not just the warmth of old pictures.</p>
<p> My ceaseill.blogspot contains some kernels of this, but as soon as I shed a present personal drama I am going to patiently work out how to incorporate my more daring ideas (some thoughtful soap opera) like better family representations, polyamory, and philosophically questing concepts (ideas category).  There will be blood on the floor.</p>
<p>Looking forward to walking these meme streets.</p>
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		<title>By: malartart</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/11/12/the-pop-drama-manifesto-a-call-to-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-4435</link>
		<dc:creator>malartart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds really interesting. Not too dissimilar to a conversation ive had with many people recently about how I fed up with a lack of imagination in comics/sf/horror films genre telly etc. when it is exactly that very thing ( a fired imagination; big ideas and strange new takes on past  ) that should be fueling them. 

Id rather see something fall on it arse because its tried to do something different than churn out the usual formulaic stuff with the rules strictly adhered too. People seem to want their cake and eat it; they want sf or superheroes or doctor who or vampires or whatever it is but at the same time they don’t want to come away with anything more than the status quo remaining so they know where they are with their favourite characters or genre. These things that should be shocking, exciting and unpredictable have become as comfy as slipping into a cosy jumper or a nice cup of tea or ‘add in other metaphorical clichés to get my point across.’ (Im probably the only person who was disappointed Burton didn’t get too do his Superman film as it would have been excitingly different.) A it has been said before these ideas are indestructible (thyve been around a hell of a long time) so they can withstand a little bending.

Since Final crisis (mark my words in the future comic historians will be picking this baby apart as classic in the way people do with watchmen now) ive found most comics ‘difficult’ to read as the more Morrison goes in new and unexpected directions with the dcu the harder I find it to read a ‘setup/fight/ win’ comic.

Anyway, cheers for the blog big fan and enjoy following your opinions and where they go. You’ve also inspired me to watch dr who again and i will be following and interacting with the above ‘meme’ with great interest.

Mal Art

http://malleableart.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds really interesting. Not too dissimilar to a conversation ive had with many people recently about how I fed up with a lack of imagination in comics/sf/horror films genre telly etc. when it is exactly that very thing ( a fired imagination; big ideas and strange new takes on past  ) that should be fueling them. </p>
<p>Id rather see something fall on it arse because its tried to do something different than churn out the usual formulaic stuff with the rules strictly adhered too. People seem to want their cake and eat it; they want sf or superheroes or doctor who or vampires or whatever it is but at the same time they don’t want to come away with anything more than the status quo remaining so they know where they are with their favourite characters or genre. These things that should be shocking, exciting and unpredictable have become as comfy as slipping into a cosy jumper or a nice cup of tea or ‘add in other metaphorical clichés to get my point across.’ (Im probably the only person who was disappointed Burton didn’t get too do his Superman film as it would have been excitingly different.) A it has been said before these ideas are indestructible (thyve been around a hell of a long time) so they can withstand a little bending.</p>
<p>Since Final crisis (mark my words in the future comic historians will be picking this baby apart as classic in the way people do with watchmen now) ive found most comics ‘difficult’ to read as the more Morrison goes in new and unexpected directions with the dcu the harder I find it to read a ‘setup/fight/ win’ comic.</p>
<p>Anyway, cheers for the blog big fan and enjoy following your opinions and where they go. You’ve also inspired me to watch dr who again and i will be following and interacting with the above ‘meme’ with great interest.</p>
<p>Mal Art</p>
<p><a href="http://malleableart.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://malleableart.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew&#8217;s Tarzan &#171; A Trout In The Milk</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/11/12/the-pop-drama-manifesto-a-call-to-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-4434</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew&#8217;s Tarzan &#171; A Trout In The Milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andrew&#8217;s&#160;Tarzan   Published November 20, 2009   Memework Leave a&#160;Comment       No, he&#8217;s not actually Tarzan, of course&#8230;I mean this. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Prankster</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/11/12/the-pop-drama-manifesto-a-call-to-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-4369</link>
		<dc:creator>Prankster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, thanks Andrew. I&#039;m composing an email, if you want to edit the post above to remove your email it&#039;s OK, I&#039;ve got it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, thanks Andrew. I&#8217;m composing an email, if you want to edit the post above to remove your email it&#8217;s OK, I&#8217;ve got it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hickey</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/11/12/the-pop-drama-manifesto-a-call-to-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-4368</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Hickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can be emailed at andrew @ thenationalpep . co . uk</description>
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		<title>By: Prankster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prankster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, this whole idea is very exciting, and I&#039;d really love to be part of it--the Newniverse, I mean. Is there some particular way to get in touch with you to get on board? I&#039;ve already got an idea I&#039;d like to &quot;pitch&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, this whole idea is very exciting, and I&#8217;d really love to be part of it&#8211;the Newniverse, I mean. Is there some particular way to get in touch with you to get on board? I&#8217;ve already got an idea I&#8217;d like to &#8220;pitch&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Zyduck</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/11/12/the-pop-drama-manifesto-a-call-to-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-4365</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Zyduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s true, and I like that twist on Batman&#039;s origin and motivation, as well as how thematically consistent the movie is about fear and all that. In the end, though, I think Dark Knight used Batman to talk about *things*, and Batman Begins used *things* to talk about Batman - I get now what Alan Moore is talking about in that bit where he says he doesn&#039;t like the Killing Joke because it&#039;s only relevant to Batman and the Joker.

I felt all the explanation in Begins was sort of fannish in what I perceived as an attempt to justify these things that comics fans take for granted and maybe feel a tiny bit of embarrassment about - no, it&#039;s not silly to dress as a bat because he&#039;s becoming a symbol and owning his fear; no, it&#039;s not goofy that he&#039;s got pointy ears because they conceal radio receivers.

Oog, veering into John Byrne territory here? I&#039;ll just stop here and say Batman Begins and me, WE GOT ISSUES. It&#039;s still necessary, I think, to set up Dark Knight to work the way it does, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true, and I like that twist on Batman&#8217;s origin and motivation, as well as how thematically consistent the movie is about fear and all that. In the end, though, I think Dark Knight used Batman to talk about *things*, and Batman Begins used *things* to talk about Batman &#8211; I get now what Alan Moore is talking about in that bit where he says he doesn&#8217;t like the Killing Joke because it&#8217;s only relevant to Batman and the Joker.</p>
<p>I felt all the explanation in Begins was sort of fannish in what I perceived as an attempt to justify these things that comics fans take for granted and maybe feel a tiny bit of embarrassment about &#8211; no, it&#8217;s not silly to dress as a bat because he&#8217;s becoming a symbol and owning his fear; no, it&#8217;s not goofy that he&#8217;s got pointy ears because they conceal radio receivers.</p>
<p>Oog, veering into John Byrne territory here? I&#8217;ll just stop here and say Batman Begins and me, WE GOT ISSUES. It&#8217;s still necessary, I think, to set up Dark Knight to work the way it does, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s &quot;&lt;i&gt;twoo&lt;/i&gt; wuv.&quot;  Peter Cook says so; do you want to argue with him?

Also, since when do you read Order of the Stick?!  God, after nearly four years of marriage you think you know a person...  Really I should be grateful that it is one thing you are not subjecting me to hearing about when you read the internet every morning, shouldn&#039;t I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;<i>twoo</i> wuv.&#8221;  Peter Cook says so; do you want to argue with him?</p>
<p>Also, since when do you read Order of the Stick?!  God, after nearly four years of marriage you think you know a person&#8230;  Really I should be grateful that it is one thing you are not subjecting me to hearing about when you read the internet every morning, shouldn&#8217;t I.</p>
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