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		<title>By: Don Alsafi</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/10/19/darkseid-authority-post-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Alsafi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 22:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re both right:

&quot;Jack, being a Depression-era kid, hated the idea of anyone being fired.  So he asked for a book that was currently without a regular writer and artist.&quot;

[...]

&quot;So Jack, mustering as much enthusiasm as he could for a comic he didn&#039;t especially want to do, took over Jimmy Olsen.&quot;

http://www.povonline.com/jackfaq/JackFaq5.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re both right:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jack, being a Depression-era kid, hated the idea of anyone being fired.  So he asked for a book that was currently without a regular writer and artist.&#8221;</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>&#8220;So Jack, mustering as much enthusiasm as he could for a comic he didn&#8217;t especially want to do, took over Jimmy Olsen.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.povonline.com/jackfaq/JackFaq5.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.povonline.com/jackfaq/JackFaq5.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Arndt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Arndt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 14:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Common knowledge told me the contrary, that he wanted to write whatever was the lowest selling title, the title that was least likely to have writers being dismissed in his his stead, and to restore that to a degree of sales-viability.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common knowledge told me the contrary, that he wanted to write whatever was the lowest selling title, the title that was least likely to have writers being dismissed in his his stead, and to restore that to a degree of sales-viability.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hickey</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/10/19/darkseid-authority-post-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6332</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Hickey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 14:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not &#039;implying&#039; anything - it&#039;s common knowledge that Kirby didn&#039;t want to do Jimmy Olsen at all...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not &#8216;implying&#8217; anything &#8211; it&#8217;s common knowledge that Kirby didn&#8217;t want to do Jimmy Olsen at all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Arndt</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/10/19/darkseid-authority-post-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Arndt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 14:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the Superman tie-ins were forced then what are you implying regarding Superman&#039;s pal Jimmy Olsen?

It was the fourth New Gods cycle title and the series where Darkseid&#039;s first appearance lay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Superman tie-ins were forced then what are you implying regarding Superman&#8217;s pal Jimmy Olsen?</p>
<p>It was the fourth New Gods cycle title and the series where Darkseid&#8217;s first appearance lay.</p>
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		<title>By: Well, &#8216;Tis Not The First Time I&#8217;ve Dealt With The Devil&#8230; &#171; A Trout In The Milk</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/10/19/darkseid-authority-post-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Well, &#8216;Tis Not The First Time I&#8217;ve Dealt With The Devil&#8230; &#171; A Trout In The Milk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] here&#8217;s another friend, Mr. Andrew Hickey, who is not afraid to bloody well RUN with a train of thought&#8230;and try to beat [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] here&#8217;s another friend, Mr. Andrew Hickey, who is not afraid to bloody well RUN with a train of thought&#8230;and try to beat [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pillock</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/10/19/darkseid-authority-post-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pillock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As to authenticity...heck, I&#039;m reading the Darwyn Cooke &lt;i&gt;Spirit&lt;/i&gt; right now, so I dunno if my opinion ought to count for much!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to authenticity&#8230;heck, I&#8217;m reading the Darwyn Cooke <i>Spirit</i> right now, so I dunno if my opinion ought to count for much!</p>
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		<title>By: pillock</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/10/19/darkseid-authority-post-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pillock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...That post of &lt;b&gt;mine&lt;/b&gt; reads so sloppy&quot; of course, SHEESH.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;That post of <b>mine</b> reads so sloppy&#8221; of course, SHEESH.</p>
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		<title>By: pillock</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pillock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God but that post of mean reads so &lt;i&gt;sloppy!&lt;/i&gt;  So I&#039;m extra-gratified it&#039;s had the desired effect nonetheless.

My old Phil. of Sci. teacher used to hand out hypercompressed essay questions all the time, and allot us 2,000 words with which to answer them.  The genius of this was that it always looked like such an easy job at first, but then it swiftly became very demanding -- because the questions were extremely straightforward, but the topics they addressed were extremely complex, and so there was nothing you could do but unpack them fully if you wanted to get to a place where you could cram &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; kind of legitimate answer into a mere 2,000 words.  Which, I should add, always came back to you with about eight hundred words of his notes attached, so don&#039;t think he was being a jerk:  he was committed to answering his questions too.

Anyway...

So Darkseid looks like an easy question, but he isn&#039;t -- and the other Fourth World characters aren&#039;t easy questions either, but Darkseid&#039;s the one that seems to offer the greatest phony simplicity, precisely because he&#039;s the Big Bad.  Comics fans love villains with illusory depth, villains with their &quot;own twisted code of honour&quot; and all that rot...the villain as a species of easy, comforting understanding both for the hero and for the reader.  But of course there&#039;s nothing worse in all the world than a villain with his own twisted code of honour...heck, there&#039;s hardly anything as bad as a &lt;i&gt;person&lt;/i&gt; with his own twisted code of honour!...and so we overlook a lot, we are cushioned from a lot, when we accept these villainous conventions.

So basically...it was Andrew&#039;s politics that made me ask him to write something on Darkseid, because to me it seems natural to suggest that the themes and characters of the Fourth World were deeply sourced in Kirby&#039;s experience of WWII, and I believe the reason Kirby didn&#039;t make Darkseid &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt; to be a Big Bad, is because he didn&#039;t want him to be very comforting at all.  Doctor Doom is comforting, even the Red Skull is comforting -- not that either of these characters were supposed to be temperate in their villainy, but Darkseid threatens &lt;i&gt;the reader&lt;/i&gt; (or more accurately the reader&#039;s &lt;i&gt;reading&lt;/i&gt;), and not just the hero.  I mean, you certainly could find comfort in Darkseid if you wished to!  But I think you&#039;d be saying something about yourself if you did, eh?

That&#039;s all pretty complicated, though!

And of course Andrew&#039;s surprised me by taking it all in a completely different -- &lt;b&gt;but 100% related&lt;/b&gt; -- direction, so I think...

Yeah.  It&#039;s going well.  Woo-hoo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God but that post of mean reads so <i>sloppy!</i>  So I&#8217;m extra-gratified it&#8217;s had the desired effect nonetheless.</p>
<p>My old Phil. of Sci. teacher used to hand out hypercompressed essay questions all the time, and allot us 2,000 words with which to answer them.  The genius of this was that it always looked like such an easy job at first, but then it swiftly became very demanding &#8212; because the questions were extremely straightforward, but the topics they addressed were extremely complex, and so there was nothing you could do but unpack them fully if you wanted to get to a place where you could cram <i>some</i> kind of legitimate answer into a mere 2,000 words.  Which, I should add, always came back to you with about eight hundred words of his notes attached, so don&#8217;t think he was being a jerk:  he was committed to answering his questions too.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>So Darkseid looks like an easy question, but he isn&#8217;t &#8212; and the other Fourth World characters aren&#8217;t easy questions either, but Darkseid&#8217;s the one that seems to offer the greatest phony simplicity, precisely because he&#8217;s the Big Bad.  Comics fans love villains with illusory depth, villains with their &#8220;own twisted code of honour&#8221; and all that rot&#8230;the villain as a species of easy, comforting understanding both for the hero and for the reader.  But of course there&#8217;s nothing worse in all the world than a villain with his own twisted code of honour&#8230;heck, there&#8217;s hardly anything as bad as a <i>person</i> with his own twisted code of honour!&#8230;and so we overlook a lot, we are cushioned from a lot, when we accept these villainous conventions.</p>
<p>So basically&#8230;it was Andrew&#8217;s politics that made me ask him to write something on Darkseid, because to me it seems natural to suggest that the themes and characters of the Fourth World were deeply sourced in Kirby&#8217;s experience of WWII, and I believe the reason Kirby didn&#8217;t make Darkseid <i>just</i> to be a Big Bad, is because he didn&#8217;t want him to be very comforting at all.  Doctor Doom is comforting, even the Red Skull is comforting &#8212; not that either of these characters were supposed to be temperate in their villainy, but Darkseid threatens <i>the reader</i> (or more accurately the reader&#8217;s <i>reading</i>), and not just the hero.  I mean, you certainly could find comfort in Darkseid if you wished to!  But I think you&#8217;d be saying something about yourself if you did, eh?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all pretty complicated, though!</p>
<p>And of course Andrew&#8217;s surprised me by taking it all in a completely different &#8212; <b>but 100% related</b> &#8212; direction, so I think&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah.  It&#8217;s going well.  Woo-hoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Prankster</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prankster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm...so let&#039;s see, you managed to badmouth Star Wars, the Rolling Stones, Jim Starlin, the JLU cartoon, and the Giffen/DeMatteis JLI (sorta) in the same post? While calling Kirby the greatest imaginative artist of all time? Impressive. What exactly is your plan for not being eaten alive by trolls?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;so let&#8217;s see, you managed to badmouth Star Wars, the Rolling Stones, Jim Starlin, the JLU cartoon, and the Giffen/DeMatteis JLI (sorta) in the same post? While calling Kirby the greatest imaginative artist of all time? Impressive. What exactly is your plan for not being eaten alive by trolls?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Burkhardt</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/10/19/darkseid-authority-post-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4088</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc Burkhardt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My complaint with the Fourth World reviews over at Remarkable is that many of the criticisms toward the story center around the wish that New Gods, et al were more like normal comics ... i.e. Darkseid act like a typical Big Bad, Mass invasion of Metropolis like the cartoon, etc. etc. 

Kirby&#039;s stuff was never like other comics. That&#039;s why he&#039;s remembered as an innovator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My complaint with the Fourth World reviews over at Remarkable is that many of the criticisms toward the story center around the wish that New Gods, et al were more like normal comics &#8230; i.e. Darkseid act like a typical Big Bad, Mass invasion of Metropolis like the cartoon, etc. etc. </p>
<p>Kirby&#8217;s stuff was never like other comics. That&#8217;s why he&#8217;s remembered as an innovator.</p>
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