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		<title>By: Andrew Ducker</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/08/27/in-reply-to-various-comments-hyperpost-3a/comment-page-1/#comment-3277</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Ducker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’m not particularly interested in having a framework to ‘explain’ inconsistencies between different stories – that’s why they’re called *different stories*&lt;/i&gt;

But surely that&#039;s the point.  To people who care about continuity, all the issues of the various Spiderman comics tell _one_ story - one written by many different writers, but nevertheless a single story.

That you see them as multiple different stories that need not agree with each other is the root of the disagreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m not particularly interested in having a framework to ‘explain’ inconsistencies between different stories – that’s why they’re called *different stories*</i></p>
<p>But surely that&#8217;s the point.  To people who care about continuity, all the issues of the various Spiderman comics tell _one_ story &#8211; one written by many different writers, but nevertheless a single story.</p>
<p>That you see them as multiple different stories that need not agree with each other is the root of the disagreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kieran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, and yeah, not having read The End of Time, I was wondering if something along the lines of the Copenhagen Interpretation was what you were going to bring up in your science hyperpost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, and yeah, not having read The End of Time, I was wondering if something along the lines of the Copenhagen Interpretation was what you were going to bring up in your science hyperpost.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hickey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Hickey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is fucking *great*... although probably more suited to a universe where the Copenhagen Interpretation was correct than to Hypertime...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is fucking *great*&#8230; although probably more suited to a universe where the Copenhagen Interpretation was correct than to Hypertime&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/08/27/in-reply-to-various-comments-hyperpost-3a/comment-page-1/#comment-3270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kieran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, hit submit by mistake, anyway the best hypertime story is Sandman #18, the Dream of A Thousand Cats, that erasure of the distinction between perspective and reality is what makes it such a neat concept for telling stories about fiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, hit submit by mistake, anyway the best hypertime story is Sandman #18, the Dream of A Thousand Cats, that erasure of the distinction between perspective and reality is what makes it such a neat concept for telling stories about fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/08/27/in-reply-to-various-comments-hyperpost-3a/comment-page-1/#comment-3269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kieran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right so, Hypertime as it was used in All Star Superman (to let Suprman Prime cross over with an &quot;imaginary story&quot; and with the DCU proper) was unnecessary, but Hypertime as it was used in The Kingdom and the non-existant Hypercrisis was interesting, is that about the short of it?

In your previous post you wondered about what stories could be told with Hypertime and your examples avoided what I think is it&#039;s most interesting side effect: that the strands of hypertime are bound spatially as well as temporally. In the usual parallel worlds set-up you have two worlds that are identical except that Jimmy has the same hairstyle, in hypertime those two *are* the same, until you see Jimmy, at which point there are two universes, and the observer splits into each one.

So Man-Things Swamp really could be the Nexus of all realities, if it&#039;s pristine and isolated enough it could be spread out over a million different hyperstrands, whereas in New York the strand is bifurcated to death, you can&#039;t turn a corner without collapsing another bunch of possibilities and reducing the set of universes in which you exist: it&#039;s why the city makes you ill, a dull soul-rot you can&#039;t quite get rid of, all those little *details* you picked up there bind you to an ever decreasing reality. And it&#039;s probably why all the aliens and the monsters end up there: reality is thinner.

The best hypertime story, to my mind]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right so, Hypertime as it was used in All Star Superman (to let Suprman Prime cross over with an &#8220;imaginary story&#8221; and with the DCU proper) was unnecessary, but Hypertime as it was used in The Kingdom and the non-existant Hypercrisis was interesting, is that about the short of it?</p>
<p>In your previous post you wondered about what stories could be told with Hypertime and your examples avoided what I think is it&#8217;s most interesting side effect: that the strands of hypertime are bound spatially as well as temporally. In the usual parallel worlds set-up you have two worlds that are identical except that Jimmy has the same hairstyle, in hypertime those two *are* the same, until you see Jimmy, at which point there are two universes, and the observer splits into each one.</p>
<p>So Man-Things Swamp really could be the Nexus of all realities, if it&#8217;s pristine and isolated enough it could be spread out over a million different hyperstrands, whereas in New York the strand is bifurcated to death, you can&#8217;t turn a corner without collapsing another bunch of possibilities and reducing the set of universes in which you exist: it&#8217;s why the city makes you ill, a dull soul-rot you can&#8217;t quite get rid of, all those little *details* you picked up there bind you to an ever decreasing reality. And it&#8217;s probably why all the aliens and the monsters end up there: reality is thinner.</p>
<p>The best hypertime story, to my mind</p>
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		<title>By: M_Burkhardt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M_Burkhardt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right before DC got going on the Crisis thingie, I remember eavesdropping on a conversation between two fellow geeks hanging out at Comics &amp; Comix in San Francisco. Both agreed that the DC Universe at the time was too &quot;old&quot; to properly collect, while Marvel in the early &#039;80s still seemed young and vital enough for a reader to invest in both current and back-issues and be adequately versed in continuity. 

I thought that line of thought was kind of nuts, but this was the time when the Direct Market was starting to bloom and I&#039;m sure the sentiment was widespread enough for DC&#039;s powers that be to take note.

That said, even though I liked the Crisis comic itself at the time and was curious about this revamped universe ... I have to admit that I wasn&#039;t all that thrilled by &quot;Man of Steel&quot; or George Perez&#039;s Wonder Woman revamps and the Legion Of Super-Heroes never did fully recover from the evaporation of Superboy. 

In fact - other than Mike Baron&#039;s Flash - the stuff I did like seemed less a direct product of the Crisis than simply a matter of letting talented creators play with the toys a bit. (i.e. the Giffen/DeMatteis/Maguire Justice League; Frank Miller&#039;s Batman: Year One, less a revamp than a refocusing I&#039;d argue and later on Grant Morrison&#039;s Doom Patrol).

Plus, Alan Moore&#039;s Swamp Thing started a ways before COIE if I recall correctly.

So, I don&#039;t know if DC really needed a Crisis after all ... beyond the PR value, that is. At the time, Marvel successfully implemented &quot;bold new directions&quot; in certain titles without such trickery ... and the idea was to make DC more competitive with the House Of Ideas, right?

(Of course, nowadays both companies actively employ Deus Ex Machina ret-cons to &quot;fix&quot; characters like Spidey and Superman ... so obviously I&#039;m outside of the mainstream here ...)

Wow. That&#039;s the most I&#039;ve written about comics in ages. Thanks for the inspiration!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right before DC got going on the Crisis thingie, I remember eavesdropping on a conversation between two fellow geeks hanging out at Comics &amp; Comix in San Francisco. Both agreed that the DC Universe at the time was too &#8220;old&#8221; to properly collect, while Marvel in the early &#8217;80s still seemed young and vital enough for a reader to invest in both current and back-issues and be adequately versed in continuity. </p>
<p>I thought that line of thought was kind of nuts, but this was the time when the Direct Market was starting to bloom and I&#8217;m sure the sentiment was widespread enough for DC&#8217;s powers that be to take note.</p>
<p>That said, even though I liked the Crisis comic itself at the time and was curious about this revamped universe &#8230; I have to admit that I wasn&#8217;t all that thrilled by &#8220;Man of Steel&#8221; or George Perez&#8217;s Wonder Woman revamps and the Legion Of Super-Heroes never did fully recover from the evaporation of Superboy. </p>
<p>In fact &#8211; other than Mike Baron&#8217;s Flash &#8211; the stuff I did like seemed less a direct product of the Crisis than simply a matter of letting talented creators play with the toys a bit. (i.e. the Giffen/DeMatteis/Maguire Justice League; Frank Miller&#8217;s Batman: Year One, less a revamp than a refocusing I&#8217;d argue and later on Grant Morrison&#8217;s Doom Patrol).</p>
<p>Plus, Alan Moore&#8217;s Swamp Thing started a ways before COIE if I recall correctly.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t know if DC really needed a Crisis after all &#8230; beyond the PR value, that is. At the time, Marvel successfully implemented &#8220;bold new directions&#8221; in certain titles without such trickery &#8230; and the idea was to make DC more competitive with the House Of Ideas, right?</p>
<p>(Of course, nowadays both companies actively employ Deus Ex Machina ret-cons to &#8220;fix&#8221; characters like Spidey and Superman &#8230; so obviously I&#8217;m outside of the mainstream here &#8230;)</p>
<p>Wow. That&#8217;s the most I&#8217;ve written about comics in ages. Thanks for the inspiration!</p>
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		<title>By: pillock</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pillock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also (my, but I seem to have a lot to say about all this, don&#039;t I?), I think it is fair to say that &lt;i&gt;Crisis&lt;/i&gt; had a defamiliarizing effect on the old tarnished spangles of the DCU, and that made a big difference in and of itself to the quality of the stories being told.  Seriously, to be interested, even mildly interested, in a Mr, Mxyxptlk story?  Really I think the only way to breathe life into the whimsical Silver Age artifacts again &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; to tear everything down and start fresh...I mean nobody was even using Comet the Super-Horse for anything anymore &lt;i&gt;anyway&lt;/i&gt;, the DCU &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; getting continuity-bound and moribund and more &quot;realistic&quot; every day...and it didn&#039;t wear it particularly well.  Over at Marvel, things weren&#039;t too much better, for the most part!  Most of their books had gotten old and stale too.  But they had &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; books that were kicking repulsive amounts of ass -- Byrne&#039;s &quot;back-to-basics&quot; FF, for one.  So, I can only speculate, &quot;back-to-basics&quot; must&#039;ve seemed like a good way to go at the time, and &lt;i&gt;Crisis&lt;/i&gt; did get them there.

Ack, that comment too is one where I let the thread slip...cripes, what&#039;s up with me today?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also (my, but I seem to have a lot to say about all this, don&#8217;t I?), I think it is fair to say that <i>Crisis</i> had a defamiliarizing effect on the old tarnished spangles of the DCU, and that made a big difference in and of itself to the quality of the stories being told.  Seriously, to be interested, even mildly interested, in a Mr, Mxyxptlk story?  Really I think the only way to breathe life into the whimsical Silver Age artifacts again <i>was</i> to tear everything down and start fresh&#8230;I mean nobody was even using Comet the Super-Horse for anything anymore <i>anyway</i>, the DCU <i>was</i> getting continuity-bound and moribund and more &#8220;realistic&#8221; every day&#8230;and it didn&#8217;t wear it particularly well.  Over at Marvel, things weren&#8217;t too much better, for the most part!  Most of their books had gotten old and stale too.  But they had <i>some</i> books that were kicking repulsive amounts of ass &#8212; Byrne&#8217;s &#8220;back-to-basics&#8221; FF, for one.  So, I can only speculate, &#8220;back-to-basics&#8221; must&#8217;ve seemed like a good way to go at the time, and <i>Crisis</i> did get them there.</p>
<p>Ack, that comment too is one where I let the thread slip&#8230;cripes, what&#8217;s up with me today?</p>
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		<title>By: pillock</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pillock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually read the &quot;confusing&quot; thing as code for &lt;i&gt;boring, and we&#039;re losing readers to Marvel because of it&lt;/i&gt;, because that&#039;s what was happening, and nobody was confused.  Marv wasn&#039;t confused, and I wasn&#039;t confused; as you point out, the &quot;confusion&quot; rationale doesn&#039;t make sense anyway.  That was just spin, though I don&#039;t know who first spun it;  it was just tactful language.  Or, it was a total mistake about what was happening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually read the &#8220;confusing&#8221; thing as code for <i>boring, and we&#8217;re losing readers to Marvel because of it</i>, because that&#8217;s what was happening, and nobody was confused.  Marv wasn&#8217;t confused, and I wasn&#8217;t confused; as you point out, the &#8220;confusion&#8221; rationale doesn&#8217;t make sense anyway.  That was just spin, though I don&#8217;t know who first spun it;  it was just tactful language.  Or, it was a total mistake about what was happening.</p>
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