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		<title>By: Andrew Ducker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ducker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disagree with (3) - Art _should_ be measured?  Really?  I don&#039;t see any reason why any technique for measuring art is better than any other - the measurement technique a person prefers will depend entirely on what they want their art to do.

It&#039;s like measuring cars based on speed, safety and comfort - different people have different priorities - and saying that &quot;Cars should be measured by safety.&quot; would be just as odd a statement.

Art _is_.  If you choose to measure it at all then that&#039;s your problem - telling me what I should be getting out of it strikes me as oppressive and, well, silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree with (3) &#8211; Art _should_ be measured?  Really?  I don&#8217;t see any reason why any technique for measuring art is better than any other &#8211; the measurement technique a person prefers will depend entirely on what they want their art to do.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like measuring cars based on speed, safety and comfort &#8211; different people have different priorities &#8211; and saying that &#8220;Cars should be measured by safety.&#8221; would be just as odd a statement.</p>
<p>Art _is_.  If you choose to measure it at all then that&#8217;s your problem &#8211; telling me what I should be getting out of it strikes me as oppressive and, well, silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ducker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ducker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think it incumbent upon people to behave *as if* there were a universal morality, even though no such thing exists, otherwise one gets into it being OK to stop women voting if it’s part of your culture, and suchlike…&lt;/i&gt;

I totally disagree.  Behaving as if there were a universal morality means (a) ignoring reality and (b) getting yourself into a position where you are unable to debate with people who differ from you, because it&#039;s now not a difference of opinion, it&#039;s their failure to recognise Truth.  It&#039;s dogmatism, which is something I despise.

It&#039;s fine for me to say &quot;I loathe the idea of living in a society where women do not have the vote, and I will do everything I can to prevent such a thing coming about&quot; without having to resort to nonsense ideas such as absolute morality.  

And without universal morality there&#039;s no such as thing &quot;ok&quot; actions, so framign it that way literally makes no sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think it incumbent upon people to behave *as if* there were a universal morality, even though no such thing exists, otherwise one gets into it being OK to stop women voting if it’s part of your culture, and suchlike…</i></p>
<p>I totally disagree.  Behaving as if there were a universal morality means (a) ignoring reality and (b) getting yourself into a position where you are unable to debate with people who differ from you, because it&#8217;s now not a difference of opinion, it&#8217;s their failure to recognise Truth.  It&#8217;s dogmatism, which is something I despise.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine for me to say &#8220;I loathe the idea of living in a society where women do not have the vote, and I will do everything I can to prevent such a thing coming about&#8221; without having to resort to nonsense ideas such as absolute morality.  </p>
<p>And without universal morality there&#8217;s no such as thing &#8220;ok&#8221; actions, so framign it that way literally makes no sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pillock</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/07/18/ten-things-youll-disagree-with/comment-page-1/#comment-2589</link>
		<dc:creator>pillock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!</description>
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		<title>By: LemmusLemmus</title>
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		<dc:creator>LemmusLemmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er?</p>
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		<title>By: pillock</title>
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		<dc:creator>pillock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me, too!  I sense that Andrew&#039;s answer will be thought-provoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me, too!  I sense that Andrew&#8217;s answer will be thought-provoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Townshend</title>
		<link>http://andrewhickey.info/2009/07/18/ten-things-youll-disagree-with/comment-page-1/#comment-2578</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Townshend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 and 5 are such a contradiction I don&#039;t know if I should bother replying to the rest.  The last century or two of Evidence Based Medicine have done so much more for health than &#039;alternative medicine&#039; ever did, and it follows Scientific Method, so I&#039;m baffled how you can say both with a straight face?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 and 5 are such a contradiction I don&#8217;t know if I should bother replying to the rest.  The last century or two of Evidence Based Medicine have done so much more for health than &#8216;alternative medicine&#8217; ever did, and it follows Scientific Method, so I&#8217;m baffled how you can say both with a straight face?</p>
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		<title>By: pillock</title>
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		<dc:creator>pillock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worst Zen koan ever, and furthermore &lt;i&gt;bah&lt;/i&gt; to you, sir.  Giving up on this attempt at communication is a pleasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst Zen koan ever, and furthermore <i>bah</i> to you, sir.  Giving up on this attempt at communication is a pleasure.</p>
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		<title>By: LemmusLemmus</title>
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		<dc:creator>LemmusLemmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitions can&#039;t be right or wrong, hence no point arguing about the rightness or wrongness of definitions. Simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitions can&#8217;t be right or wrong, hence no point arguing about the rightness or wrongness of definitions. Simple.</p>
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		<title>By: zcunning</title>
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		<dc:creator>zcunning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being as it&#039;s been pointed out by now that arguing with this post is a fool&#039;s errand (due to its lack of any actual, well, argumentation), i&#039;m just going to reply to a few philosophically interesting claims you&#039;ve made there and in the comments:

&quot;8) The term ‘free will’ is literally meaningless, and the hoops physicists jump through in order to reconcile it with experimental and theoretical results are ridiculous.&quot;

I would disagree on the first claim simply because, in my opinion, the meaning of &quot;free will&quot; has been set in stone (at least) since Kant: a free will is one whose actions/decisions are not the direct, irrevocable, and (perhaps most importantly) determinable result of natural laws.

I.e., a being with a free will is one who is able to make decisions and act on the world independently of the influence of stimuli from the world, who actually has the ability to &lt;i&gt;choose&lt;/i&gt; between two (or more) possible actions--as opposed to the deterministic option where &quot;choosing&quot; is not an ability any being possesses and all actions by any being are predetermined by natural laws and the influence of the natural world upon said being.

I don&#039;t mean to get into a discussion about the existence of free wills, but I do think that the claim that there isn&#039;t any sort of (even relatively) codified or agreed upon meaning of &quot;free will&quot; is patently false.

I also think it&#039;s interesting that you take issue with &lt;i&gt;physicists&lt;/i&gt; of all people jumping through hoops to perpetuate the idea of a free will. Among all the people who have been arguing about the (non)existence of free will over the course of human history, physicists form a very, very tiny minority, I think. XD

&quot;And as for your last point, I think it incumbent upon people to behave *as if* there were a universal morality, even though no such thing exists, otherwise one gets into it being OK to stop women voting if it’s part of your culture, and suchlike…&quot;

In light of your comment about free will I have to wonder about your views on morality. How do you reconcile your repudiation of any idea of free will with the fact that you obviously believe actions have a moral character?

Obviously I&#039;m playing devil&#039;s advocate here, but i am genuinely curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being as it&#8217;s been pointed out by now that arguing with this post is a fool&#8217;s errand (due to its lack of any actual, well, argumentation), i&#8217;m just going to reply to a few philosophically interesting claims you&#8217;ve made there and in the comments:</p>
<p>&#8220;8) The term ‘free will’ is literally meaningless, and the hoops physicists jump through in order to reconcile it with experimental and theoretical results are ridiculous.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would disagree on the first claim simply because, in my opinion, the meaning of &#8220;free will&#8221; has been set in stone (at least) since Kant: a free will is one whose actions/decisions are not the direct, irrevocable, and (perhaps most importantly) determinable result of natural laws.</p>
<p>I.e., a being with a free will is one who is able to make decisions and act on the world independently of the influence of stimuli from the world, who actually has the ability to <i>choose</i> between two (or more) possible actions&#8211;as opposed to the deterministic option where &#8220;choosing&#8221; is not an ability any being possesses and all actions by any being are predetermined by natural laws and the influence of the natural world upon said being.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to get into a discussion about the existence of free wills, but I do think that the claim that there isn&#8217;t any sort of (even relatively) codified or agreed upon meaning of &#8220;free will&#8221; is patently false.</p>
<p>I also think it&#8217;s interesting that you take issue with <i>physicists</i> of all people jumping through hoops to perpetuate the idea of a free will. Among all the people who have been arguing about the (non)existence of free will over the course of human history, physicists form a very, very tiny minority, I think. XD</p>
<p>&#8220;And as for your last point, I think it incumbent upon people to behave *as if* there were a universal morality, even though no such thing exists, otherwise one gets into it being OK to stop women voting if it’s part of your culture, and suchlike…&#8221;</p>
<p>In light of your comment about free will I have to wonder about your views on morality. How do you reconcile your repudiation of any idea of free will with the fact that you obviously believe actions have a moral character?</p>
<p>Obviously I&#8217;m playing devil&#8217;s advocate here, but i am genuinely curious.</p>
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